המקרן התחיל היום להגיע לקונים, אני אנסה להביא לכאן חוות דעת של חברי AVS אשר קיבלו את המקרן.
1. אלן גאוגר (המנהל של AVS):
[left]I only had HD cable via HDMI as source. I was truly impressed. We threw an image 8 feet wide. There was so much in the menu we did not bother changing anything so what we saw was right out of the box.
It kills my AE700. I walked right up to the screen and no visible pixel structure at all, none. The SS did not in any way soften the image. It was very sharp. Black level and on/off looked better then my VW100 to my eye. I could not believe I was looking at LCD. Man these things have come a long way. Sorry I do not have more.
Im sure there will be more detailed reports from others coming soon but this projector is a winner. Enjoy your protectors[/left]
2. Zeroendless/u]
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Quick 30 minutes preview.
Convergence alignment. At least half-1 pixel all over the place. Using Sony hd pattern and DVE
Colour uniformity. No problem.
Fan noise, not whisper quiet but reasonable in both normal and eno mode. Mine is shelf mounted and about 3' above seating area. Doesn't bother me.
A quick bringhtness and contrast setting, Iris on, set color 1 and cinema 1. Color is dead on by the way, 1080/240p from ps3. Black is impressive with no motion artifact as reported from early review from users here. I play a few dark scenes from Hellboy and happy to say the black level is ...black.. , this is brilliant for LCD. Plenty of light at eco mode, and picture is punchy with beautiful color.
Sharpness, I know we all hate this stupid smooth screen. I didn't have enough time for further review but i remember few face detail close up scene. You can have both with panny's latest smart sharpening technology....Pixel free and detail[/left].
נערך לאחרונה על ידי noam23 ב 02/11/2007 12:14, נערך פעם 1 בסך הכל.
3. PSB/u]
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Here's my quick take on it after 15 minutes of viewing and no calibration:
One Word: EXCELLENT!!
Compared to my current Sony VW-50: Brighter picture, contrast maybe slightly better, and more "pop" to the image. Right now, I'm playing with the settings on "Normal" picture mode. Colors are a little off in "Dynamic" mode. Very, very quiet machine. If somebody can tell me how to post some pics, I'll post a couple. So far, very impressive for a projector at this price
....Oh one more thing.......this thing is Sharp!.....as in tack sharp. More sharpness than my Sony VW-50. HD images on Blu-Ray and HD-DVD look awesome! Black levels as good as my Sony Pearl. I played a few minutes of a standard DVD movie and the image was pretty decent, too. More images to come. Overall, from what I've seen so far, the image quality surpasses my Pearl.[/left]
4. gkfisher/u]
[left]AE2000 Review - First Impressions
I've just spent about 2 hours testing the projector, running several DVDs, testing HD Dish and overall I am very impressed with the projector. It has many pros and a few cons and most of my comparisons will be against the Sharp 12000 (720p high-end, at least at the time, DLP). I'll get into the details below but the projector is a keeper for me.
Brightness
Projector brightness is more than enough to fill my 110" Carada BW (1.4 gain screen). I had a hard time seeing a huge brightness jump between eco mode and normal mode so I just kept it on econo mode. In normal mode it was very bright but colors were not right, so I kept it in either color1 or cinema1. Compared to my sharp which has around 1000 hours on the bulb and I have it in high brightness mode, the AE2000 is clearly brighter. Of course if the sharp were with a new bulb I would say they were close. So my guesstimate would be... if I were placing a bet... that the AE2000 in COLOR1 mode is around ~500-600 lumens in econo mode. This is a total guess.
Contrast
So this is my first projector with a dynamic IRIS and at times it seemed like the contrast was much better than the sharp 12K (especially when the 12K was in high brightness mode) and at other times I felt like the sharp 12K had better contrast (maybe becuase the 12K has higher ansi). For example in star wars 3 during the opening space dog fight scene it seemed like there were more details in the background (I'll try to snap some pictures of the scenes I am referring to) or in the mines of moria (fellowship of the ring) the projector showed more details to me. Any ideas for good material to test ANSI contrast or On/Off?? I have a lot of material around and would be happy to give impressions. The black bars at the top and bottom of the screen are noticeable, more so than on the 12K and so I'll still use my masking setup. I think overall black level is higher than my sharp 12K so that may also be why I see black bars more. I plan on spending more time looking at contrast material next. Any suggestions?
Color
Color is fantastic when using Color1 or Cinema1 as reported earlier. Color seems just as good as on the 12K. But honestly I am not too sensitive to pefect color space debates. I certainly can tell that Normal mode looks off or unrealistic. I liked my sharp 12K image and I think I like the overall color of this unit just as much. I think I prefer Color1 mode the most.
Sharpness
When feeding it HD material it was VERY sharp. When using some of my SD or sat 720p material it wasn't as sharp as the 12K (at least from what I could tell). I wonder if either that is because with the sharp there was perfect pixel mapping or if maybe smoothscreen does something when the source image has more noise. Or it could just be that SD doesn't look as good as HD . Need some more testing here for SD material/720p material.
Scaler/SD
Doesn't seem very good compared to the sharp 12K. Again I am no expert but when feeding it 480i or even 480p I noticed jaggies, ghosting, stair stepping... all those sorts of picture artifacts (all via component). I need to get things working via HDMI for SD picture feed (I am in the process of getting a working Onkyo 805 receiver that does 720P scaling... although now I may change my mind and go with a Denon receiver that will scale my SAT feed to 1080p). Anyway, I am interested to see what others have to say on this since I don't know if it's just my setup. Need more testing here but this would be an area they may have cut.
Features
Overall very impressed. More quiet... Only thing missing comapred to my sharp that I recall is the CMS stuff... it has a lot of other new stuff. I need to read up on the waveform setup, etc. But for the price I paid I am surprised of all the features such as motor zoom, focus. My sharp was manual here. The lens shift is helpful when tinkering but ultimitly won't matter much once I ceiling mount. Remote is backlit. Menu was easy to use and the ability to do splitscreen color adjustments was kinda cool. I wanted to do a split screen with one side as color1 and the other as cinema1 but it wouldn't work or at least I couldn't get it.
Ok more details later, but overall I am very pleased with the projector, I feel it's an upgrade from my 12K, and to top it off I am thrilled that it's about 6K less than the price I paid for my last projector!![/left]
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[left]Well I finally got my 2000 up and running. Haven't been able to watch much on it so far. I will say that it kills my PT-AE900U. The image is brighter, clearer (sharper), and colors look fantastic. Black is now black when it was almost black with a hint of gray with the 900U. Shadows and dark scenes are way better looking to me. The 2000 is quieter to me also. Running in econo mode it is hard to hear. I have a fully light controlled theater room with no windows or stray light. Color1 looks good but I have to try the other modes out when I get the time.
I was a little surprised how much bigger it is than the 900U and the lens shift/focus is leaps ahead of the 900U's little joy stick/manual focus.
One problem I have run into is I can't get a HDMI signal to sync with my DVDO VP30. I will work with it to find a solution. That really sucks because I used it to do all up conversion and splitting. I only have one HDMI cable run to the projector and 4 sources. May not be a problem for long once I get my Onkyo 885P.
So far I will have to say I am pleased with the projector[/left]
6.buddahead:
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Well my first impressions compared to my ax100 and a friends vw50 that throws a great pic.Pic quality is in another class than the ax100.Image has more depth,You can notice the blacks are really black compared to my ax100.I am using CO RIDDICK HDDVD for demo.To me it has as good a pic as my friends pearl which is excellent.He has his calibrated,And this ae2000 out of box is something.One thing I do not like is the auto zoom and focus.I just am not use to it yet,But will get use to it,The ax100 was just so easy to zoom and focus,Fot those with high ceilings this feature is very nice,But I have low ceilings and all I had to do was just hand adjust,Going to try some sdvd next like Star wars 3.Will post later,Over all very happy .This is my first really good fp.You do get a better quality pic than the ax100 or 200,But they are still a great buy for the money.[/left]
The black bars at the top and bottom of the screen are noticeable, more so than on the 12K and so I'll still use my masking setup. I think overall black level is higher than my sharp
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הכל טוב חוץ מרמת השחור שעדיין לא משתווה לשארפ 12K, לדעת אחד החברה למעלה.
מרטין, אני מחכה לביקורות על מקרן ה 1080p האחרון, ה Epson 1080p UB ולמחיר הרחוב שלו, ואז אבצע החלטה.
מבחינה כספית, אני יכול כעת להשיג את ה Sanyo Z2000 תמורת $1999 (אחרי Rebate בעזרת חבר), שזה מחיר שקשה מאוד לסרב לו (יוצא לי אחרי משלוח, מיסים ואחריות Mack, באזור ה 12,000 ש"ח, לעומת 16,000 עבור ה AE2000).
ה Z2000 קיבל כעת ביקורות טובות מאוד מ ProjectorCentral ו Projectorreviews:
בתימצות רב, ה Z2000 נותן תמונה יוצאת מן הכלל בפני עצמו. החסרונות שלו הם בהירות לא גבוהה (שזו לא בעיה גדולה עבורי כי אני הולך על מסך 90 אינטש), ושחורים מעט פחות טובים מה- AE2000.
הכל טוב חוץ מרמת השחור שעדיין לא משתווה לשארפ 12K, לדעת אחד החברה למעלה.
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איתי, יכול להיות שאתה צודק, אך לא בהכרח. שים לב שהבחור שהשווה ל 12K אמר גם:
[left]Compared to my sharp which has around 1000 hours on the bulb and I have it in high brightness mode, the AE2000 is clearly brighter[/left]
מכיוון שה AE2000 היה בהיר בבירור מה 12K, לא ניתן לפסול את האפשרות כי השחורים של ה AE2000 לא פחות טובים משל ה 12K, והפסים השחורים למעלה ולמטה נראו מעט יותר בהירים ב AE2000 בשל הבהירות הרבה יותר שלו.
בכל מקרה ל 12K יש שחורים מצוינים אליהם אף מקרן LCD לא התקרב בעבר, ואם ה AE2000 לא רחוק ממנו, זה מדהים.
אמרת שאם המקרן ימוקם בסלון ההבדל בקונטרסט בין ה 200 ל 2000 יהיה קטן.
אז שווה לך להוציא עוד 7000 ש"ח אם ההבדל לא יהיה גדול?
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yarino,
המקרן לא ימוקם בסלון. אני מתכוון ליצור מצב בו בערך מטר של האזור הקדמי של חדר ההקרנה (הכולל את קיר המסך, התקרה והקירות צדדיים) יהיה מכוסה בבד שחור.
פרט לכך, יש יתרון במקרן 1080p בכך שהוא יאפשר לי לבצע Constant Image Height ללא משחקי זום.
לגבי כך שמקרן 1080p ייתן רמת פירוט גבוהה יותר בתמונה, אני לא בונה על כך, אך אשמח להיות מופתע לטובה.
[left]I had a chance to compare the Sony VPLVW60 (Black Pearl) vs. Panasonic AE2000 at a west coast post production company on Saturday. I thought I would share our observations.
Sony Black Pearl vs Panasonic 2000 for the mid priced 1080P championship of the WOORRRRLLLD!!
Ring Profile
12’ away from a 96” x 54” ST130 screen in a 20’ x 15’ black hole screening room. Black walls, ceiling and floors, with the door closed, one cannot see the screen or their hand in front of their face!
Since the Sony measured brighter than the Panny in color accurate mode, we compared the Sony in low lamp and the Panny in hi lamp. All sharpness/enhancement features were set to 0 or turned off.
Broadcast HD Judges
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Coto PPV fight
On to the fight:
OOTB Grayscale
Panny dE < 8 for most of the range, +10 at 100%, and +15 at 20%
Sony dE < 20 for most of the range
Score: Panny 10, Sony 9. The Black Pearl was all over the place.
Calibrated Grayscale
Panny dE < 3 from 20% to 100%
Sony dE < 2 from 20% to 100%
Score: Panny10, Sony 10. After calibration both were very close, the VW60 was slightly flatter.
Convergence
Panny < ½ R, G off in center; < 1 R on right side; < ½ R,G on left
Sony < perfect in center; < ¼ R on left; < ¼ R on right
Score: Panny 9, Sony 10. Played around with the Sony convergence control, was not needed.
Colorimetry
Panny in Color 1 mode was very close to 601/709, but not perfect.
Sony was close to 601 in Normal, oversaturated from 709 in Wide.
Score: Panny 10, Sony 9
Color Uniformity
We viewed clips from Casablanca and Sin City to determine shading issues. Neither pjs had any major visible issues. The Panny had a very slight red on left green on right
Score: Panny 10, Sony 10
Brightness Uniformity
Sony had very minor ~20% IIRC brighter upper left/lower right. Not visible in extended black out test.
Score: Panny 10, Sony 10
On/Off CR
Measured < 18” from the projector, best contrast (long throw) zoom.
Panny 2,750:1 iris off, 6,800:1 iris auto
Sony 4,300:1 iris off, 25,700:1 iris auto
Score: Panny 9, Sony 10
ANSI CR
Measured center 4 squares
Panny 395:1
Sony 370:1
Score: Panny 10, Sony 10
Brightness
Panny long throw hi lamp 280 lumens
Sony long throw lo lamp 336 lumens (460 hi lamp)
Score: Panny 9, Sony 10
Sharpness
Both pj seemed equally sharp with a slight edge to the Sony
Score: Panny 10, Sony 10
SD Sources
This was one area of clear difference; the Sony was cleaner/clearer/less noisy. The Panny appeared slightly grainy in comparison
Score: Panny 9, Sony 10
HD Sources
Both pjs looked amazing on HD. The Sony was slightly cleaner and more refined.
Score: Panny 10, Sony 10
Black Level (Full Fade to Black)
Sony scores the only knock down of the fight. The scene in Equilibrium where the cleric kicks in the door and stands in the blacked out room was our judge. The 3 x lower BL of the Sony clearly showed in the >10 seconds blackout. An aside, the 12KII at proper BL/WL showed awful dithering in this scene.
Score: Panny 8, Sony 10
Dark Scene Contrast
In very dark scenes from AVP, 300, Hannibal Rising, Dark City, Spiderman 3,… the Sony was better.
Score: Panny 9, Sony 10
Bright/Mixed Scene Contrast
No advantage to either pj. The Sony was slighter smoother/more refined.
Score: Panny 10, Sony 10
Summary
Like the Mosely/Coto battle, this was a very close fight. We watched the fight alternating the first 6 rounds on each pj, with no complaints. We watched the last 6 rounds on the Sony in hi lamp for a little more pop.
I can’t imagine anyone not ecstatic after purchasing either pj. I brought my Sharp 12KII and spent some time comparing mixed scenes. The 12KII had more contrast/pop in some mixed scenes, however I would rank both the Panny and Sony over the 12kII!![/left]
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