Digital and I

[mmhifi]

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Some thoughts on analogue vs digital debate. The people which remember me from my Tapuz times(~1.5 years ago) know me as
enemy of digital media. I say then I can't tolerate it, I can't listen to it more than 15min., I get headache from it
etc.,etc. Ok, I changed my opinion. Now I think it's possible to get musical results from media and get real pleasure from
cd's and listen to it for hours without fatigue but... only really good digital, digital made right. I hear loud voices
where are your principles? Well, the problem with me I have no principles. Only hamor doesn't change his opinions and my
opinions mirror my knowledge and experience in every single point of time. If somebody learns philosophy he knows the term
dialectics. 1.5 years ago I didn't experienced any musical system based on digital source and my opinions were in according
with this fact. What did happen after that? Ok, short story. I bought tuner - Accuphase T-101(from 70th) and was stroked how
good and musical sounded Kol-Ha-Musika through this tuner- even with cd's. How can it be, asked I myself. My friend which
works as serviceman on Kol Israel transmitters told me the source in studio was professional Sony cdp, which weights tons and
costs accordingly. But fact was fact- it did sound good. Not as well as good analogue, mind you, but nevertheless musical, my
world was ruined. Ok to make the story short, I put the aim to get musical digital at home for relatively normal money and I
reached it(so I think) after some tries and errors. My choice was CEC 5100Z with belt-driven transport(just like turntable) and
no, without extensive tweaking and setup efforts I wasn't satisfied by his sound. I know of another system where I can listen to
digital forever - with Linn Ikemi and fantastic tubed amps. Surprisingly the choice of amps,speakers,cables is much more
critical for digital than analogue, I cannot explain it but somehow signal from digital is much more sensitive and fragile
and can be ruined further the chain easily. Again cannot explain it. I don't know to say about other labels and models much
All the NADs,RotelS,Pioneers and others where unpromising. Really dear modern players I didn't try - I wanted something for
normal money. Systems of other people I heard didn't impress me much but maybe they had setup or incompatibility problems. But why
Analogue Rules? Well after all analogue is much more natural and alive sounding and "digital revolution" in audio is about
money not sound. So I think
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[נמר]

mmhifi

אינני מבין למה אתה לא כותב בעברית?
אני מאוד מעוניין לקרוא את מה שאתה כותב אך מאוד מעייף לקרוא באנגלית..

[mmhifi]

mmhifi

אינני מבין למה אתה לא כותב בעברית?
אני מאוד מעוניין לקרוא את מה שאתה כותב אך מאוד מעייף לקרוא באנגלית..

...

I explained to you already my Hebrew isn't good enough for forum
discussions

The real problem is forum software. I don't see the way to write in English with left-side alignement
Ofer???

[oferlaor]

שמח לראות "שראית את האור"...

אגב, אם תקיף את התוכן שלך ב [ eng ] אז זה יוצמד לשמאל.

[mmhifi]

[ eng ]
test1
test2
[ eng ]

[oferlaor]

תוריד את הרווחים בתוך ה-טאגים...

[yehudaa]

[eng]
test3
test4
[eng]

[oferlaor]

חברים,

טאגים סוגרים עם /

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[ eng ]
this is test
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את הטאגים המפוברקים עשיתי עם רווחים בכדי שתראו איך זה נראה.

גם אותו דבר רק עם טאג left יעשה אותו דבר.

[oferlaor]

אגב אפשר גם עם טאג CODE (שיש לו כפתור בכל מקום):

רק קשה מקיף את הטקסט במין סימון כזה:

קוד: בחירת הכל

this is a test

[Croc]

מיכאל,
אז מה? יש כבר בחירה?

כמו שאני מכיר אותך כבר ניסית חצי מרשימת הסטריאופיל אבל EC ומרידיאן הם גם טובים ומוזיקאליים (ככל שאני שמעתי).
אומרים גם שנגן UNICO הוא כזה.................

[mmhifi]

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I use CEC TL5100Z

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[logankungfu]

C.E.C עוד קיימים?
או שמדובר ב CDP ישן מלפני כמה וכמה שנים?

[Croc]

איך שאני אוהב את sunroof-ים האלו

[mati]

[left]is the AH! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 CD player[/left]

http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/tjoeb4000_e.html
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/e ... eb4000.htm

[mmhifi]

C.E.C עוד קיימים?
או שמדובר ב CDP ישן מלפני כמה וכמה שנים?

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This specific model is from 1997 and use belt-drive transport.Now they have new line with similar transport
and the reactions in the audiophile world are very positive.
No distributor here.
Belt-drive transport was invented by Burmeister
and CEC(very known producer of turntables itself) was their distributor in Japan in 90th.
They bought patent and produced there own line but much more cost-effective than Burmeister.
Exellent stuff!
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[mmhifi]

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By the way about transports.
Seems there is no one man in all the world which fully understand digital. One says jitter is main factor in sound quality of digital,another says DAC,third-phase errors and so on and so on.
I for shure don't pretend to any understanding what is going .
I can only detect the differencies in finished product-sound.
One of my observations is the best sound to my ears deliver products with non-standard exotic transports. About CEC I told already but Ikemi has transport proprietary to Linn(it's exactly the same transport they used in famous CD12) and Sony for shure used in studio machine their famous state-of-the-art transport from middle of 90th and similar to one from CDP-X779ES.
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[dart-vader]

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I think in the novadays jitter is not a main problem that
people die for.
The effect of modern low-pass filtering mechanism is to greatly reduce any jitter which may be present on the input or output sample clocks.
Bigger problem FMHO is accurately reproduce the waveform and business stuck at 44.1kHZ sample rate and from one side is enough according to the Nyquist theorem "people can hear only up to 20 kHz" but not everything that simple, latest research made by couple of DSP task groups proofed people can hear sine waves in air up to 24 kHz , so that alone suggests needing higher sampling rates, at least for some people
So ,manufacturers have enough stuff to do to make digital sounds better